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Going Downhill Fast
#1
It looks as though the law enforcement community is under an open war footing. So far this year, 84 officers have been killed in the line of duty, up from 72 last year and we still have months to go. Now I have my own personal feelings on the who, how and why this has come about, but generally speaking, our country, at least from my point of view, is teetering on an extremely damning slope that would / could spell the demise of the country as we knew it. We have to many illegal aliens running drugs and other illegal offerings (just this week we had a teacher from Arizona, Mexican decent) get busted for trafficking and he was legal and as I said he was a teacher. Said he just needed extra money. We also have 2 and 3rd, possibly 4th generations on public assistance, with no wanting or needing to stand up and do for themselves. Just what do you think is going to happen if and when the well runs dry? You better keep your powder dry. We have radical groups throughout the country and to hear the feds talk, "we know were they are and were watching them". Oh good, their watching. I wonder if they were watching on 9/11 or all the other bombings that have taken place. I think the country is on very thin ice and some time in the near future, we may see our selves in a very bad situation that we may not recover from. At least not back to the country we once knew and loved. Some nights I don't even want to watch the news, because there will be at 5 or 6 murders, hold ups, assaults, child molesters and the list goes on. I hear all the rhetoric about the media and their agenda and how their in league with the administration, but can all those people seriously have an agenda that wants to ruin this country? For the life of me, I can't see the forest for the trees, if this is in truth a fact. 

OK, off my soap box, what's your opinion(s)
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#2
You asked a serious question so I'm going to give you a serious answer.  And since there are only a small handful of us on the board, and since most of us are Christians I'm going to give it to you guys straight.  Christians and even secular people have the feeling that 'something' is about to happen.  If you guys aren't familiar with the Shemitah, blood moons and Jewish feast days then I suggest you give yourself a crash course...now.





You can look up parts 2 and 3.  

Look at it like this...is 'something about to happen' far fetched or fear mongering?  Let's see;
  • Can an EMP seriously happen (man-made or natural)?  Well, it's already happened several times in the past.  Folks need to read up on the Carrington event.  And that was when electricity wasn't even remotely in widespread use as it is today.  Can it happen again?  From a natural standpoint of course it can.  Scientific articles have been written about it.  Can it be produced artificially?  Yes it can.  How many nuclear weapons are unaccounted for globally.  All it takes is one, and there are more than that missing or in the hands of hostiles to the U.S.
  • Can the U.S. power grid be compromised?  It already has multiple times.  It's been physically attacked and it's been hacked.  The head of the NSA stated that China could bring our grid down if they wanted to so what more is there to know.  Need to take a long hard look at the thread 'What happens when the lights go out'?
  • Is the economy about to collapse?  To be blunt, you're an idiot if you don't see the writing on the wall.  We have an unsustainable debt.  We print money like it's made on paper (no pun intended).  The markets are unstable and I believe total or near total collapse is seriously close.  Plus, as pointed out we have the Entitlement generation in this country that doesn't know when the country was founded but know how to go on welfare.  It is an unsustainable drain.  They are zombies.
The other board that I run, and too be honest spent my on-line time on is the SEP Board.

I would invite everyone here to join and participate on that board.  I HIGHLY suggest it.  Do you guys have food tucked away for a rainy day?  If you don't then frankly you're going to find yourself in a bad spot soon.  Do you have access to water and know how to disinfect it?  Do you know how to thermoregulate your core temperature?  Can you defend your family?  I'm not talking about Doomsday Preppers and sitting on a million rounds of ammo.  I'm talking common sense preparations for yourself and your family.  It takes a fool to not realize this country is being judged.  Look at the weather.  Look at who is in power.  Look at the measures to divide the country.  Mike, you mentioned the media.  Do you guys understand that the majority of the medial (ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN etc) is owned or in some way controlled by George Soros?  He is a socialist that wants to bring down the U.S. Constitution.  That isn't a secret.  

Take my post for what you think it's worth.  I'm not worried because the Lord has always, and will always take care of me and mine.  But he's also given me the knowledge and ability to be proactive for my time here on Earth.  Mission #1 is reach the lost when/where I can.  Mission #2 is rely on Him.  Mission #3 is use what he's given me.  

Your advice to someone new to emergency preparedness and/or self reliance

If you've got questions or comments feel free to speak your mind.  But I urge ya'll to at least look at the SEP board and I invite you to join it.  Lot of fellow Christians already on the board.  And the conversation is practical.
Two thousand years ago wise men sought Christ, wise men still do.

Techniques are situational, principles are universal.

Fast as the wind, quiet as the forest, aggressive as fire, and immovable as a mountain.

He who gets there first with the most...wins!

Minimal force may not be minimum force!

We don't rise to the occasion...we sink to the level of our training.


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#3
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cd...mittah.htm

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/...-shemitah/

It's not the end of the world. I don't think people are understanding what Shemittah is at all, you don't even keep the same years as us! it's for Jews, not really of interest to gentiles to be honest.
Like the seventh day of the week, every seventh year is holy. The Shemittah (Sabbatical) year is a year devoted to strengthening our (as in us, the Jews) bond with G‑d—specifically, honing our faith in His omnipotence and our trust in His kindness.

By all means do what you have to but please, please don't think it has anything to do with Shemittah.

PS Jonathan Cahn is a complete nut and really has nothing to do with what Jews actually believe or think, what he says is a travesty of Jewish thought and belief. He is a Christian not a Jew. If you believe what he says then I'm very sorry for you frankly.
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#4
(09-22-2015, 07:01 PM)Tez Wrote: It's not the end of the world.

Absolutely agree that it is not the end of the world.  Actually, end of a age would be more appropriate as in the end of the age of grace.  The times of the gentiles are soon coming to an end and things will shift back to the Jews as far as the remainder of prophecy. 

Quote:I don't think people are understanding what Shemittah is at all, you don't even keep the same years as us!

I can't speak for everyone on the board of course.  I'm quite familiar with it.  My wife was born in Jerusalem and we still have family there.  And we also celebrate/honor or recognize the Jewish holidays (we have a couple staying with us that are Messianic Jews).  And as Christians we should be well acquainted with Judaism.  Unfortunately, far too many Christians don't realize, honor or celebrate their Jewish roots or the significance of the feast days.  After all, the Apostles were all Jewish.

If I'm understanding correctly from your post, you are Jewish but not a Messianic Jew?

As far as Shemittah, yes it is a cycle of seven.  It can represent restoration as well as what you've mentioned.  And every seventh cycle of Shemittah is the year of Jubilee.  All are restoration but can also be a time of judgment.  The book of Daniel is a prime example. 

As far as Rabbi Cahn, why do you specifically feel he's a 'nut'?  He isn't the first, or only Jew that states the same thing.  Historically what he is saying is factual i.e. that major events in Israel's history coincide with Jewish feast days/significant dates on the Jewish calendar.  And I don't think it's coincidence that things have happened in America of major significance on Jewish feast days or during the Shemittah.  And not so coincidentally, our leaders have pronounced the same judgment against America that the leaders of Israel pronounced against themselves in ancient times.  Right down to the exact working found in Scripture.
Two thousand years ago wise men sought Christ, wise men still do.

Techniques are situational, principles are universal.

Fast as the wind, quiet as the forest, aggressive as fire, and immovable as a mountain.

He who gets there first with the most...wins!

Minimal force may not be minimum force!

We don't rise to the occasion...we sink to the level of our training.


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#5
A 'Messianic Jew' is a Christian, no two ways about it, not a Jew ( though if you consider the Jews a race then he is a Jew who has converted to Christianity who cannot speak for Jews) It is absolutely a coincidence that things are happening in the US and it's the start of a Sabbatical year. The year only started a couple of weeks ago so really the things that have happened have nothing to do with Judaism, we get the blame for enough as it is and the mention of Jews and 'blood' bring us out in shudders...look up blood libel. I am an Orthodox Shephardi Jew, the scriptures you speak of are entirely Christian not Jewish.
We have so many Jewish festivals and holy days that not to have something happen on one would be a surprise to be honest. We have 12 major ones and at least a couple every month so you'd be pretty safe predicting an event would happen on, close or near a Jewish holiday.

When people say they should become acquainted with Judaism I don' think they realise many things about us. Judaism has no dogma, no formal set of beliefs that one must hold to be a Jew. In Judaism, actions are far more important than beliefs, although there is certainly a place for belief within Judaism. When talking about the Law no Jews think it's set literally in stone it's not, there's actually no death sentence and an 'eye for an eye' doesn't mean what you think it does. When reading what you call the Bible you don't use commentary you take it all as literal.
I'm', going to copy this because this chap (anon sadly) says it better than I can.

"Unlike many other religions, Judaism does not focus much on abstract cosmological concepts. Although Jews have certainly considered the nature of G-d, man, the universe, life and the afterlife at great length (see Kabbalah and Jewish Mysticism), there is no mandated, official, definitive belief on these subjects, outside of the very general concepts discussed above. There is substantial room for personal opinion on all of these matters, because as I said before, Judaism is more concerned about actions than beliefs.

Judaism focuses on relationships: the relationship between G-d and mankind, between G-d and the Jewish people, between the Jewish people and the land of Israel, and between human beings. Our scriptures tell the story of the development of these relationships, from the time of creation, through the creation of the relationship between G-d and Abraham, to the creation of the relationship between G-d and the Jewish people, and forward. The scriptures also specify the mutual obligations created by these relationships, although various movements of Judaism disagree about the nature of these obligations. Some say they are absolute, unchanging laws from G-d (Orthodox); some say they are laws from G-d that change and evolve over time (Conservative); some say that they are guidelines that you can choose whether or not to follow (Reform, Reconstructionist). "

Basically Judaism is not really what people think it is. Even in the time of Joshua ben Joseph things weren't cut and dried, there were many sects and many messiahs, again though messiah doesn't mean what many Christians think it does. There's also Kabbalah, meditation ( a Jewish practice that is centuries old)

Daniel by the way isn't a prophet, an a prophet is not one who 'foretells the future. A prophet is basically a spokesman for G-d, a person chosen by G-d to speak to people on G-d's behalf and convey a message or teaching. Prophets were role models of holiness, scholarship and closeness to G-d. They set the standards for the entire community. His visions of the future were never intended to be proclaimed to the people; they were designed to be written down for future generations. So they are Writings, not Prophecies, and are classified accordingly.

History is history, as Jews we are more aware of this than perhaps most people, much of what you call the Bible is allegorical, writing to teach a people coming out of captivity how to live as free people. You need commentary to understand what is written, what is the Law and how it affects us now.
This is Rishi's commentary http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/...rashi=true, there is a huge amount of commentary from by now thousands of people, it's ongoing.

It's considered an anathema by the way to many Jews to have Christians calling themselves Messianic Jews, it causes problems you maybe haven't encountered or don't realise. It's hugely disrespectful to Jews to have non Jews call themselves Messianic Jews and it has caused some problems in Israel where violence has erupted. Simply put you cannot be a Jew and follow another religion,

http://whatjewsbelieve.org/explanation9.html




http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html
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(09-23-2015, 12:33 PM)Tez Wrote: A 'Messianic Jew' is a Christian, no two ways about it, not a Jew...

With the greatest respect, I will disagree with you as would Messianic Jews.  The Apostles were Jews and Paul in particular was a 'Jew of the Jews' and a 'Pharisee of the Pharisees'.  Which leads to your comment:

Quote: It's considered an anathema by the way to many Jews to have Christians calling themselves Messianic Jews, it causes problems you maybe haven't encountered or don't realise. It's hugely disrespectful to Jews to have non Jews call themselves Messianic Jews and it has caused some problems in Israel where violence has erupted...

Very true that the Jews don't consider or recognize Messianic Jews as 'true' Jews.  Again, Messianic Jews would have a different opinion.

Quote:Simply put you cannot be a Jew and follow another religion.

And here is the crux of the discussion, Messianic Jews (and Christians) will state that it isn't a different religion, it is the completion of the religion.  I would put it another way as the term religion isn't applicable, rather it is a relationship.  Paul speaks of the spiritual blindness that has fallen over Israel until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.  As an example, what we refer to as the 'old testament' (the Jewish Torah, history, prophets etc) speaks of the son of G_d directly.  It refers to a Trinity.  It refers to the suffering of Messiah which has only been fulfilled by one person in history.  Now I fully understand that Jews don't accept, recognize or understand this perspective.  It does take a literal acceptance of Scripture, and I personally do take Scripture literally accept when the text indicates otherwise. 

I should stop at this point to clearly state that I love the Jews and support Israel's right to exist.  Indeed Israel is the apple of G_d's eye and exists because prophecy stated it would exist again. 

Quote:Daniel by the way isn't a prophet, an a prophet is not one who 'foretells the future. A prophet is basically a spokesman for G-d, a person chosen by G-d to speak to people on G-d's behalf and convey a message or teaching. Prophets were role models of holiness, scholarship and closeness to G-d. They set the standards for the entire community.

On this, again with respect, I will have to disagree.  Yes, Daniel spoke of future events, but he also was a spokesman for G_d directly to both Nebuchadnezzar and his grandson.  He interpreted dreams and visions as well.  And by G_d's own words Daniel was highly favored and mentioned by name. 

Heading to lunch, I'll touch more later if you (or anyone) is interested in my sharing of my thoughts.

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Two thousand years ago wise men sought Christ, wise men still do.

Techniques are situational, principles are universal.

Fast as the wind, quiet as the forest, aggressive as fire, and immovable as a mountain.

He who gets there first with the most...wins!

Minimal force may not be minimum force!

We don't rise to the occasion...we sink to the level of our training.


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#7
It's not my opinion that Daniel isn't a prophet, the Talmud explicitly says he's not, you can't change things because you think they are different from what is written :-) If as Jews say he's not regarded as a Jewish prophet I'm not sure non Jews can disagree.
Joshua ben Joseph had followers but so did all the other messiahs and there were quite a few sects around at the time so really whether they were Jewish or not has no bearing on how we see Christians. They have their ways we have ours, the two aren't the same.
I'm trying very hard not to be insulted by the idea that we need to be completed, we have a Covenant with G-d, that is enough. We are very different religions whether you think it or not, a lot of what we do is alien to you and vice versa.

Please don't say 'you love the Jews' it ranks alongside 'some of my best friends are black'. besides which ones, the Conservatives, the reform, the chasidics, the Sephardi, the Ashkenazi, the Litviks, the Kazan, the Romaniotes, the Kariotes, the Subboniks, the Falashim, the Maghreb, the Yemenites , the Bukharan , Persians, Iraqi, Kurdish and many many more, these people are as different from Christians as it's possible to get, our thos, our practices and our very though processes are different however much you think they aren't.
I'm sorry to disagree with you but really I think you are assuming that Judaism is just Christianity without your messiah but it's not, everything is different from the very fundamentals to the way we pray, think eat and talk, Even the relationship we have with G-d is fundamentally different.
http://www.convert.org/Judaism_and_Christianity.html
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#8
I think "Christianity" as a generic label says about as much as "Judaism" does.  Tez, you rightly point out that there is tremendous diversity within all that could be called "Judaism" today.  But in the same way there is tremendous diversity within all that could be called "Christendom" today.

The two very broad labels of "Christian" and "Jewish" are different faiths, but they are not as different as "Christian" and "Hindu" would be, because there is a more common historical trunk to both faiths.  I can appreciate you working hard to not feel insulted by someone saying you are not a complete Jew because you do not believe Jesus is your Messiah.  But it seems to me that saying someone is not religiously Jewish because they are of Jewish descent and do believe Jesus is their Messiah could feel just as insulting to them.  Especially if Jews are united by being more about what you do than about beliefs concerning the nature of the deity.

Anti-semitism is on the rise.  I think Kong Soo Do's statements about having Jewish friends was simply a way to say that he rejects anti-semitism.  But I am not Jewish so it is impossible for me to know exactly how his remark would feel to a Jewish person.  I am only asking that you receive it in the spirit that I believe he meant it.  Smile
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(09-23-2015, 06:23 PM)Tez Wrote: It's not my opinion that Daniel isn't a prophet, the Talmud explicitly says he's not, you can't change things because you think they are different from what is written :-) If as Jews say he's not regarded as a Jewish prophet I'm not sure non Jews can disagree.

Let's take a bit of a look at this.  It is true the Talmud doesn't consider Daniel a prophet.  And by 'Talmud' I'm assuming your referring to the Babylonian Talmud since you weren't specific rather than the Jerusalem Talmud?  But I would suggest that this proclamation isn't binding in any way.  The traditions of the Talmud remained in oral form until the second century A.D. and weren't completed as such (Gemara and the Mishnah together) until the 5th century A.D.  The prophecies of Daniel have always been somewhat of a stumbling block to some Rabbis, particularly since the prophecies are referenced in the New Testament and specifically Revelation in regards to the '70 weeks of Daniel' of which only 69 have been accomplished. 

Yeshua himself proclaimed Daniel a prophet in Matthew 24:15, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)".

As a Christian, Yeshua is my final truth and authority and is above man's oral or written traditions, regardless of the religion in discussion.  This is why I'm a Christian and don't follow the Catholic or Greek Orthodox church for example as I don't put the catechisms or liturgy above Scripture). 

Quote:Joshua ben Joseph had followers but so did all the other messiahs and there were quite a few sects around at the time so really whether they were Jewish or not has no bearing on how we see Christians

Yeshua was the only one in which prophecies were fulfilled.  Both Scripture and secular writings attest to this.  For example, Paul (Saul) as mentioned, was a 'Pharisee of the pharisees' and persecuted Christians with authority and great zeal.  Until his encounter on the road to Damascus.  Even atheists I have watched in debates will agree that 'something' happened to the man, though of course they will not accept the man's own declaration of faith.  Paul, who killed Christians became a Christian and as the Apostle to the Gentiles reached more people than all the other Apostles combined while writing 2/3 of the New Testament.  He suffered for, and died horribly for his faith in Messiah.  For an example of secular writings we can examine Josephus.  He confirms an solar eclipse at the time of Christ's crucifixion that wasn't forcast (and they did indeed know how to calculate solar/lunar eclipses in that day/age).  Indeed, Isaish prophesied what manner of death Messiah would suffer, which at the time wasn't a form of capital punishment.

And I take the Word of G_d at face value when Proverbs talks about G_d having a son.

 
Quote:I'm trying very hard not to be insulted by the idea that we need to be completed, we have a Covenant with G-d, that is enough

I truly hope that you don't become insulted, as that is not my intent at all.  But this is a discussion that involves each person honestly and openly stating their beliefs.  It is a choice to feel insulted if no insult was intended.  The Apostle Paul talks about the covenant that G_d has with the nation of Israel, but he also discusses that the gentiles are doing what the nation of Israel was suppose to do but failed throughout history to do.  Now to be very clear, and as Paul implicitly states, that isn't bragging rights on behalf of the gentiles.  Not in any way, shape or form.  We were the 'wild branch' grafted into the olive tree and at some point that branch will be removed and the olive tree will return to the forefront.  And I look for the day that all Israel will truly know the Messiah that we've known.  Not for 'our' sake, but for their sake. 

Quote:Please don't say 'you love the Jews' it ranks alongside 'some of my best friends are black'.

No, it does not.  Scripture instructs us to bless Israel.  And I truly do pray for the peace and blessings of Israel.  As you mention different sects of Judaism, the Jews tend to lump all Christians into one mold.  And they have a lot of generational anger towards certain religions that call themselves Christian (and rightly so).  But Christians are not crusaders.  And that point cannot be over emphasized.  Anyone can call themselves a Christian, but the proof is in the fruit of their actions. So yes, I DO love the Jews and bless and pray for Israel and I'm not ashamed to do so.  They are the apple of G_d's eye and his chosen people.  If it weren't for the Jews the Christians would never have come to the Lord. 

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Two thousand years ago wise men sought Christ, wise men still do.

Techniques are situational, principles are universal.

Fast as the wind, quiet as the forest, aggressive as fire, and immovable as a mountain.

He who gets there first with the most...wins!

Minimal force may not be minimum force!

We don't rise to the occasion...we sink to the level of our training.


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#10
I'm away now for a couple of weeks holiday so this will be short sadly.

Look at this way, if I said I loved Americans because they were the epitome of what Trotsky and Lenin were striving for, a communist society. that the USA was the perfect communist state where everything belonged to the people, there was no capitalism and no free market which made it a fantastic place would you understand how we feel when people start talking about Judaism as you are?

There is absolutely no way that any person has fulfilled the prophecies for the 'messiah', there's no amount of twisting things and turning them that can make it so. Christianity is fine in it's way, as just about all religions are but it isn't Judaism with a bit added, it can't be. We have our Covenant and we keep it each according to their lights. Any way I'll be back when I'm back from Cornwall ( where we go there's no internet or mobile signal would you believe lol)
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